Nothing Was Final, But Everything Was Decided: The Emergency Docket
Administrative RemediesNovember 03, 202600:29:4027.2 MB

Nothing Was Final, But Everything Was Decided: The Emergency Docket

On June 29, the Supreme Court overruled Humphrey’s Executor, the 1935 case that let Congress shield the heads of independent agencies from removal at will. That decision came with full briefing, argument, and a signed opinion. But the case arrived at the Court as something much smaller: a request to pause a district court order reinstating Rebecca Slaughter to the Federal Trade Commission. No merits briefing. No argument. The Court granted the stay in September 2025 and didn’t rule until the following June, and for those nine months the Commission operated as though the question were already settled. Everyone watching could see how it would come out.

That gap is the subject of this episode. Gwen and Marc step away from the threshold series to look at the emergency docket, where cases get decided fast, usually without argument, and often in short unsigned orders that formally resolve nothing.

The threshold doctrines from the last several weeks are all built on the idea that a court should wait for the right moment. Emergency practice runs on the opposite instinct. It exists for the cases where waiting decides the outcome.

In this episode:

  • Shadow docket, interim docket, emergency docket: three names for the same thing, and why the choice matters
  • What a lower court is supposed to do with a two-paragraph unsigned order, and Justice Kagan’s “turtles all the way down”
  • The volume shift: thirty federal government applications in ten months, against nineteen across four years and eight across sixteen
  • Why a high grant rate doesn’t prove favoritism, what selection bias explains, and what it doesn’t
  • The connection to Trump v. CASA, and why narrowing universal injunctions may have shrunk the emergency pipeline
  • The property-law parallel: whoever holds the asset while the case runs usually wins the only fight that matters
  • The ballroom order and the Slaughter stay as two versions of the interim order being the final answer
  • OSHA’s vaccine-or-test standard, blocked on a prediction, withdrawn weeks later, never judged on the merits
  • Section 2101(f), the All Writs Act, and the four Nken factors with no instruction on how to weigh them
  • Where the government’s irreparable harm came from: three opinions by three individual justices, none for the full Court
  • Justice Sotomayor’s answer, that the Executive is treated as irreparably harmed whenever it can’t do what it wants
  • The Federal Reserve sentence in Trump v. Wilcox, written about an institution that wasn’t a party, and how it became the premise of the government’s argument in Trump v. Cook
  • The NIH grants order, where every piece had five votes and only one justice supported the whole combination
  • Purcell, a three-page unsigned opinion that has shaped election litigation for twenty years without defining its own key term
  • Written explanation rising from almost none in the mid-2010s to thirty-nine percent last term, and Justice Barrett on the lock-in risk of saying too much against the transparency cost of saying too little
  • Why Cook is captioned “on application for stay” and still got argument, a majority opinion, and five separate writings

The volume that turned an ordinary judicial power into one of the most consequential mechanisms in American public law wasn’t set by Congress or by the Court. It was set by how often one litigant chose to knock on the door.


00:00:13 --> 00:00:15 Welcome to Administrative Remedies, because you
00:00:15 --> 00:00:17 can't fix what you don't understand. Brought
00:00:17 --> 00:00:19 to you in part by the University of Tulsa College
00:00:19 --> 00:00:22 of Law's Mabee Legal Information Center. I'm
00:00:22 --> 00:00:24 Gwendolyn Savitz, an associate professor here
00:00:24 --> 00:00:26 at TU. And I'm Marc Roark, a professor at the
00:00:26 --> 00:00:29 College of Law. We'll be breaking down complex
00:00:29 --> 00:00:31 doctrines with real-life analogies and examples
00:00:31 --> 00:00:33 to demystify the world of administrative law
00:00:33 --> 00:00:35 for everyone trying to understand how government
00:00:35 --> 00:00:38 actually works. Agencies are the main way the
00:00:38 --> 00:00:40 federal government gets things done. It's not
00:00:40 --> 00:00:42 through Congress, for reasons we'll be addressing
00:00:42 --> 00:00:46 over the course of the series. Marc, we've talked
00:00:46 --> 00:00:49 about this before. On June 29th of this year,
00:00:49 --> 00:00:51 the Supreme Court overruled precedent that had
00:00:51 --> 00:00:56 stood since 1935. This was Humphrey's Executor,
00:00:56 --> 00:00:58 the case that let Congress protect the heads
00:00:58 --> 00:01:00 of independent agencies from being fired at will.
00:01:01 --> 00:01:04 They voted 6-3, the Chief Justice wrote, and...
00:01:04 --> 00:01:06 They ruled that Rebecca Slaughter's removal from
00:01:06 --> 00:01:10 the Federal Trade Commission was fine and there
00:01:10 --> 00:01:13 was no for-cause protection for her. Yeah, and
00:01:13 --> 00:01:16 the Court decided this as a merits decision.
00:01:16 --> 00:01:18 And that means that there was full briefing,
00:01:19 --> 00:01:20 that there was argument and a signed opinion
00:01:20 --> 00:01:24 by a justice. Yes, but it arrived at the Court
00:01:24 --> 00:01:26 as a request to pause the lower court's order.
00:01:27 --> 00:01:30 Soon after Trump got into office, he removed
00:01:30 --> 00:01:32 Rebecca Slaughter. A district court held that
00:01:32 --> 00:01:34 it was bound by Humphrey's Executor and ordered
00:01:34 --> 00:01:37 her reinstated. As it was, that was the law of
00:01:37 --> 00:01:39 the land. The government asked the Supreme Court
00:01:39 --> 00:01:42 for a stay, an order pausing the reinstatement
00:01:42 --> 00:01:44 while the appeal ran. That was an emergency application.
00:01:45 --> 00:01:46 There had been no merits briefing. There was
00:01:46 --> 00:01:49 no argument in the Supreme Court. And instead
00:01:49 --> 00:01:53 of just granting the motion or denying it. Right.
00:01:53 --> 00:01:55 So the Court decided to treat it as a petition
00:01:55 --> 00:01:58 for certiorari. It took the case before the D.C.
00:01:58 --> 00:02:00 Circuit had been able to enter a final judgment,
00:02:00 --> 00:02:03 and it wrote the question presented, naming Humphrey's
00:02:03 --> 00:02:05 Executor and asking whether it should be overruled.
00:02:05 --> 00:02:08 It hadn't even been asked to take on the case
00:02:08 --> 00:02:11 in full. This seems like a very unusual step
00:02:11 --> 00:02:14 to assign it for a full merits decision. It was
00:02:14 --> 00:02:19 indeed unusual. Okay. And the circuit never got
00:02:19 --> 00:02:22 to finish its consideration. Yeah. That matters
00:02:22 --> 00:02:25 not just for this decision, but... Normally,
00:02:25 --> 00:02:27 we want to let these questions move through the
00:02:27 --> 00:02:28 circuit so that you get a bunch of different
00:02:28 --> 00:02:31 judges working on it. They can disagree over
00:02:31 --> 00:02:33 things. They can sharpen the issues that are
00:02:33 --> 00:02:35 actually at stake. In this one, the Supreme Court
00:02:35 --> 00:02:38 agreed to stay the district court's opinion.
00:02:38 --> 00:02:42 It decided that in September of 2025, and it
00:02:42 --> 00:02:43 didn't issue the order in Slaughter until the
00:02:43 --> 00:02:47 following June. However, as we'll see, based
00:02:47 --> 00:02:49 on that stay, it was obvious to everybody watching
00:02:49 --> 00:02:52 how this case was going to come out. For the
00:02:52 --> 00:02:54 nine months before they'd officially said anything,
00:02:54 --> 00:02:56 the Commission operated as though the question
00:02:56 --> 00:03:00 were settled, which, again, that's how everybody
00:03:00 --> 00:03:02 viewed it, basically. So the emergency posture,
00:03:03 --> 00:03:05 what the Court did right then when it decided
00:03:05 --> 00:03:09 to stay the district court's opinion, that was
00:03:09 --> 00:03:13 immediately consequential. OK, let's start with
00:03:13 --> 00:03:16 the name, because I've heard three different
00:03:16 --> 00:03:18 ways of referring to this. All right. What have
00:03:18 --> 00:03:21 you heard? OK, well, you've got the shadow docket,
00:03:21 --> 00:03:24 which is what we as academics typically talk
00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 about when we talk about these things. And we
00:03:27 --> 00:03:29 also talk about the interim docket, which is
00:03:29 --> 00:03:32 probably the most accurate, but also the least
00:03:32 --> 00:03:35 memorable. And the emergency docket, which is
00:03:35 --> 00:03:38 just the straightforward way of describing this.
00:03:38 --> 00:03:41 We're using emergency docket today because it
00:03:41 --> 00:03:45 is probably the clearest term for somebody who's
00:03:45 --> 00:03:48 not steeped in what's going on here. A lot of
00:03:48 --> 00:03:50 these cases come to the Court as emergency decisions.
00:03:51 --> 00:03:53 Someone's about to be executed or deported, or
00:03:53 --> 00:03:56 there's an election that's days away. If a court
00:03:56 --> 00:03:58 has to say what happens in the meantime, it's
00:03:58 --> 00:04:00 going to need to come through this emergency
00:04:00 --> 00:04:03 procedure. These can be stays, injunctions pending
00:04:03 --> 00:04:06 appeal, or applications to vacate a lower court
00:04:06 --> 00:04:08 stay. Federal courts have always had to do this
00:04:08 --> 00:04:12 because the alternative is that we don't act
00:04:12 --> 00:04:14 at all and we potentially put in place really
00:04:14 --> 00:04:18 damaging current situations. Okay. And so what
00:04:18 --> 00:04:21 makes that a story? All right. So there's a few
00:04:21 --> 00:04:23 things we care about. First, these applications
00:04:23 --> 00:04:27 are decided fast, days or weeks. Again, in a
00:04:27 --> 00:04:29 lot of the time, that matters because what's
00:04:29 --> 00:04:32 at stake is going to be decided itself in days
00:04:32 --> 00:04:34 or weeks. There's generally no oral argument.
00:04:34 --> 00:04:37 The briefing is going to be thin. And the Court
00:04:37 --> 00:04:40 generally rules on these in a short, unsigned
00:04:40 --> 00:04:42 order with little or no explanation. Although
00:04:42 --> 00:04:44 there might be a concurrence or a dissent attached
00:04:44 --> 00:04:47 that goes into more detail. OK. And so no signature,
00:04:47 --> 00:04:51 no reasoning. And this is binding. It raises
00:04:51 --> 00:04:53 the question, what is a lower court supposed
00:04:53 --> 00:04:56 to do with one of these decisions coming out?
00:04:56 --> 00:04:59 If the Supreme Court stays an injunction in a
00:04:59 --> 00:05:02 two-paragraph order, is that a holding the district
00:05:02 --> 00:05:05 judge in another circuit has to follow? Yeah.
00:05:05 --> 00:05:07 So obviously it binds the parties. And beyond
00:05:07 --> 00:05:10 that, things get a little murkier. An interim
00:05:10 --> 00:05:13 order, by definition, doesn't finally resolve
00:05:13 --> 00:05:16 the merits. It's interim. It is in the meantime.
00:05:16 --> 00:05:19 It's a prediction about who's likely to win.
00:05:19 --> 00:05:21 It's not a ruling that somebody did win. But
00:05:21 --> 00:05:24 the Court has also said that these orders do
00:05:24 --> 00:05:27 carry weight. In July 2025, in Trump v. Boyle,
00:05:27 --> 00:05:30 it granted a stay in two sentences and told the
00:05:30 --> 00:05:32 lower courts why they should have seen it coming.
00:05:32 --> 00:05:35 Here. The Court said the application is squarely
00:05:35 --> 00:05:38 controlled by Trump v. Wilcox. Although our interim
00:05:38 --> 00:05:41 orders are not conclusive as to the merits, they
00:05:41 --> 00:05:43 inform how a court should exercise its equitable
00:05:43 --> 00:05:47 discretion in like cases. That's a generous reading
00:05:47 --> 00:05:50 of inform, though. A district judge is supposed
00:05:50 --> 00:05:53 to extract a rule from an unexplained order and
00:05:53 --> 00:05:56 then figure out whether her case is a like
00:05:56 --> 00:05:59 case. Yes, and that was the point Kagan made
00:05:59 --> 00:06:02 in a dissent, that the Wilcox order had offered
00:06:02 --> 00:06:05 three sentences, so only another under-reasoned
00:06:05 --> 00:06:07 order was holding it up. And next time, she said,
00:06:07 --> 00:06:09 the majority would now have two orders to cite,
00:06:09 --> 00:06:11 and the reasoning would be turtles all the way
00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 down. So the weight of the format is contested
00:06:14 --> 00:06:18 while the format is deciding things. Yes, and
00:06:18 --> 00:06:20 this is being worked out order by order. We've
00:06:20 --> 00:06:23 also had a big change in volume, though. This
00:06:23 --> 00:06:25 is why people started to take more notice
00:06:25 --> 00:06:28 of it. So one count found 30 applications for
00:06:28 --> 00:06:30 emergency relief filed by the federal government
00:06:30 --> 00:06:34 between January of 2025 and early November. That
00:06:34 --> 00:06:37 was against 19 over the entire four years of
00:06:37 --> 00:06:39 the previous administration and eight in the
00:06:39 --> 00:06:41 16 years of the two administrations before that
00:06:41 --> 00:06:45 combined. OK, so eight in 16 years and then 30
00:06:45 --> 00:06:47 in 10 months. Those are two very different sizable
00:06:47 --> 00:06:51 numbers. They really are. So of those 30, 24
00:06:51 --> 00:06:53 were granted. But then the numbers started to
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 turn around, or at least the granting did. In
00:06:56 --> 00:06:58 the term that ended October 4th, the Court ruled
00:06:58 --> 00:06:59 on nine applications from the administration
00:06:59 --> 00:07:03 and granted five. The term before that, it had
00:07:03 --> 00:07:07 granted 19 of 21. So we're looking at different
00:07:07 --> 00:07:10 numbers, different windows, and different grant
00:07:10 --> 00:07:14 rates. This isn't a clean story about the Court
00:07:14 --> 00:07:15 consistently siding with the administration.
00:07:16 --> 00:07:20 Okay. And so from 90 percent down to about half and
00:07:20 --> 00:07:23 a fraction of the filings, something has clearly
00:07:23 --> 00:07:26 changed. It has. Before we start talking about
00:07:26 --> 00:07:29 how this works, though, it's important to note
00:07:29 --> 00:07:31 that the government is the one choosing which
00:07:31 --> 00:07:34 of these petitions to bring. So a high success
00:07:34 --> 00:07:38 rate on its own wouldn't automatically mean that
00:07:38 --> 00:07:40 the Court was heavily favoring the government.
00:07:41 --> 00:07:43 It could be the government was only bringing
00:07:43 --> 00:07:46 the very strongest cases. Most people would probably
00:07:46 --> 00:07:49 say that was not what happened in Trump's first
00:07:49 --> 00:07:53 year in his second term. But it is worth noting.
00:07:53 --> 00:07:57 So we could call it selection bias, right? Either
00:07:57 --> 00:07:59 way, this becomes a real caution and not really
00:07:59 --> 00:08:01 a full answer because it explains the win rate
00:08:01 --> 00:08:05 without really explaining the volume. Yes. Adam
00:08:05 --> 00:08:07 Feldman also published a study on exactly that
00:08:07 --> 00:08:10 this week. He's looking at executive action
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 applications back to 2017. So this administration
00:08:13 --> 00:08:16 won about 82 percent of the ones it filed in the second
00:08:16 --> 00:08:20 term. It won 78 percent in the first against 67 percent under
00:08:20 --> 00:08:26 Biden. So that's a gap, but it's not a crazy
00:08:26 --> 00:08:29 high gap. And if we look at all executive action
00:08:29 --> 00:08:31 disputes, the success rate comes much closer
00:08:31 --> 00:08:33 together. One reason is that there are different
00:08:33 --> 00:08:36 kinds of cases in the pile. Across this administration,
00:08:37 --> 00:08:39 through the October 12th cutoff, immigration
00:08:39 --> 00:08:42 accounted for 14 government applications against
00:08:42 --> 00:08:44 four under Biden, plus 10 more about removing
00:08:44 --> 00:08:48 or controlling executive officers. OK, so part
00:08:48 --> 00:08:50 of what looks like favoritism is the government
00:08:50 --> 00:08:53 bringing a different mix of cases to the Court.
00:08:53 --> 00:08:55 Right. It's potentially because the government's
00:08:55 --> 00:08:58 bringing a different mix. But even if that's
00:08:58 --> 00:09:00 part of it, it certainly isn't necessarily all
00:09:00 --> 00:09:03 of it. And none of it explains the volume. Right.
00:09:03 --> 00:09:06 30 applications in under 10 months against eight
00:09:06 --> 00:09:08 across the Bush and Obama years. And then you
00:09:08 --> 00:09:11 have the drop this year. Yes. That does connect
00:09:11 --> 00:09:13 us in with the rest of the season. A lot of these
00:09:13 --> 00:09:16 applications existed because a single district
00:09:16 --> 00:09:18 judge entered relief that reached beyond the
00:09:18 --> 00:09:21 parties. As soon as one judge was halting a national
00:09:21 --> 00:09:23 policy, the government asked the court of appeals
00:09:23 --> 00:09:25 to stay it. And if that failed, it went up to
00:09:25 --> 00:09:27 the Supreme Court. So the emergency practice
00:09:27 --> 00:09:30 grew partly out of the same thing the Court was
00:09:30 --> 00:09:33 narrowing in Trump v. CASA when it restricted
00:09:33 --> 00:09:35 universal injunctions. There's kind of an awkward
00:09:35 --> 00:09:38 relationship, but this broad district court relief
00:09:38 --> 00:09:41 is driving a large volume of emergency applications.
00:09:41 --> 00:09:44 And then the Court restricted broad relief. So
00:09:44 --> 00:09:46 the following year, once district courts understood
00:09:46 --> 00:09:48 they couldn't do that anymore, there would have
00:09:48 --> 00:09:51 been less for the government to challenge. Could
00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 be why the government's applications fell from
00:09:53 --> 00:09:56 21 to 9 and substantive applications overall
00:09:56 --> 00:10:00 from 49 to 36. That's correlation. It isn't proof.
00:10:01 --> 00:10:03 And the government's litigating posture may simply
00:10:03 --> 00:10:05 have changed. And the subject matter definitely
00:10:05 --> 00:10:09 changed. But the timing fits. And in property
00:10:09 --> 00:10:12 litigation, the fight over who holds the asset
00:10:12 --> 00:10:16 while the case runs is frequently the only
00:10:16 --> 00:10:19 fight that matters. A boundary dispute, a contested
00:10:19 --> 00:10:21 title, a foreclosure, whoever's in possession
00:10:21 --> 00:10:24 is collecting the rents, making improvements,
00:10:24 --> 00:10:27 establishing facts on the ground. And by the
00:10:27 --> 00:10:28 time you get to the judgment, three years have
00:10:28 --> 00:10:31 gone by and the equities have moved all around.
00:10:31 --> 00:10:34 And so everybody who does this work knows that
00:10:34 --> 00:10:37 preliminary relief is not preliminary in any
00:10:37 --> 00:10:40 practical sense. Yes, generally the same thing
00:10:40 --> 00:10:42 here. The stay of an injunction lets the policy
00:10:42 --> 00:10:45 operate. An injunction pending appeal stops it.
00:10:45 --> 00:10:48 Either way, the rules people actually live under
00:10:48 --> 00:10:50 for the next two or three years are set by this
00:10:50 --> 00:10:53 order that formally is deciding nothing. And
00:10:53 --> 00:10:56 for a policy with a four-year horizon, two or
00:10:56 --> 00:11:00 three years is most of its life. We just spent
00:11:00 --> 00:11:02 an episode on one of these, right? The White
00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 House ballroom case. Yes, it was an interim docket
00:11:05 --> 00:11:07 order. It was five to four with the Chief Justice
00:11:07 --> 00:11:10 dissenting along with the liberals. This was
00:11:10 --> 00:11:13 an order to let construction continue while the
00:11:13 --> 00:11:15 litigation ran. There was no merits judgment
00:11:15 --> 00:11:18 on whether the project needed Congress's authorization.
00:11:18 --> 00:11:20 And by the government's own estimates, the structure
00:11:20 --> 00:11:22 would be substantially finished before the Court
00:11:22 --> 00:11:25 could hear the case. Which is the whole thesis
00:11:25 --> 00:11:28 in one order. Right. Nobody decided anything.
00:11:29 --> 00:11:32 And the building is going to go up. Yes. Slaughter is
00:11:32 --> 00:11:34 additional proof. We could see the ending there.
00:11:34 --> 00:11:36 She won in the district court in July of 2025.
00:11:37 --> 00:11:39 And she was out from the stay in September until
00:11:39 --> 00:11:43 the decision in June, at which point she lost. The
00:11:43 --> 00:11:46 interim order was the final answer. But if it
00:11:46 --> 00:11:48 had gone the other way, she would have spent
00:11:48 --> 00:11:51 15 months off the Commission, counting from the
00:11:51 --> 00:11:53 time of removal. There would have been all the
00:11:53 --> 00:11:55 votes taken without her and no remedy for months.
00:11:56 --> 00:11:59 And the merits in the case is real, and it may
00:11:59 --> 00:12:02 also be an epilogue. Yeah, and notice the stuff
00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 we've been talking about for the last few episodes.
00:12:04 --> 00:12:07 We were looking at doctrines that decide when
00:12:07 --> 00:12:09 a court decides to engage. Finality, ripeness,
00:12:09 --> 00:12:11 exhaustion. These are all built around the idea
00:12:11 --> 00:12:13 that a court should wait for the right moment.
00:12:13 --> 00:12:16 Emergency practice runs on the opposite instinct.
00:12:16 --> 00:12:18 It exists precisely for the cases where waiting
00:12:18 --> 00:12:21 would decide the outcome. Okay, the two bodies
00:12:21 --> 00:12:24 of doctrine answer the same question with opposite
00:12:24 --> 00:12:26 defaults. They answer different questions, but
00:12:26 --> 00:12:28 they interact. One asks whether review is available
00:12:28 --> 00:12:31 at all, and the other asks what happens while
00:12:31 --> 00:12:34 that review runs. In the NIH case, Justice Barrett
00:12:34 --> 00:12:36 was asking whether the challenged guidance was
00:12:36 --> 00:12:38 even final agency action on an emergency application.
00:12:39 --> 00:12:41 So the threshold questions don't disappear just
00:12:41 --> 00:12:44 because the posture is fast. And with different
00:12:44 --> 00:12:46 rules and different levels of explanation. And
00:12:46 --> 00:12:49 the fast track isn't evenly available. Getting
00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 to the Supreme Court on an emergency application
00:12:51 --> 00:12:53 takes counsel who can produce a serious filing
00:12:53 --> 00:12:55 in days. The federal government can always do
00:12:55 --> 00:12:58 that. And repeat-player industry groups can do
00:12:58 --> 00:13:00 that. But for most litigants, it's going to be
00:13:00 --> 00:13:03 out of reach. And the same sorting we saw in
00:13:03 --> 00:13:06 the standing episode, that's formally open to
00:13:06 --> 00:13:09 everyone is really practically only available
00:13:09 --> 00:13:12 to whoever is already staffed for it. And this
00:13:12 --> 00:13:15 isn't only a separation of powers story. Has an
00:13:15 --> 00:13:18 agency rule ever lived or died this way? One
00:13:18 --> 00:13:22 good example is from January of 2022. OSHA issued
00:13:22 --> 00:13:25 an emergency standard requiring large employers
00:13:25 --> 00:13:27 to mandate vaccination or testing. Challenges
00:13:27 --> 00:13:29 went up on applications for emergency relief.
00:13:29 --> 00:13:32 The Court heard arguments within weeks and it
00:13:32 --> 00:13:34 blocked the standard in an unsigned opinion.
00:13:34 --> 00:13:36 It was holding that the agency had likely exceeded
00:13:36 --> 00:13:39 what Congress authorized. But the same day, on
00:13:39 --> 00:13:42 a parallel application, it allowed a narrower
00:13:42 --> 00:13:44 rule for federally funded health care facilities
00:13:44 --> 00:13:47 to take effect. So two agency rules with opposite
00:13:47 --> 00:13:50 results. Both resolved on a prediction about
00:13:50 --> 00:13:53 who would likely win rather than a judgment that
00:13:53 --> 00:13:56 anyone had. Yes. And then OSHA withdrew the enforceable
00:13:56 --> 00:13:58 standard weeks later. There was never a merits
00:13:58 --> 00:14:02 judgment. There was just a ruling about the likelihood
00:14:02 --> 00:14:04 of success. And that ended the whole thing. So
00:14:04 --> 00:14:07 the property point, again, the thing labeled
00:14:07 --> 00:14:10 temporary was the thing that decided it. Yeah.
00:14:10 --> 00:14:14 So this is where we can start looking at what
00:14:14 --> 00:14:17 this is based on. There's a couple places where
00:14:17 --> 00:14:20 Congress has set up this type of authority. In
00:14:20 --> 00:14:24 section 2101(f) of the Judicial Code, it lets a
00:14:24 --> 00:14:26 justice stay a final order that's headed there
00:14:26 --> 00:14:29 on certiorari, and the All Writs Act says that
00:14:29 --> 00:14:31 federal courts may issue all writs necessary
00:14:31 --> 00:14:33 or appropriate in aid of their jurisdictions,
00:14:33 --> 00:14:36 agreeable to the usages and principles of law.
00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 Okay, there are words of limitation in there,
00:14:38 --> 00:14:41 in aid of jurisdiction, agreeable to usages and
00:14:41 --> 00:14:44 principles, but nothing that tells a court when
00:14:44 --> 00:14:47 to grant a stay and when to refuse one. Yeah,
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 it's about as thin as the grants we've dealt
00:14:49 --> 00:14:52 with so far the entire season. The criteria are
00:14:52 --> 00:14:56 judicial. The four-factor framework was restated
00:14:56 --> 00:15:00 in Nken v. Holder, a 2009 immigration case,
00:15:00 --> 00:15:03 even though it's much older than that. At the
00:15:03 --> 00:15:05 Supreme Court, there's also an additional element.
00:15:05 --> 00:15:07 The applicant has to show that the Court would
00:15:07 --> 00:15:09 likely grant review of a contrary decision. But
00:15:09 --> 00:15:32 here are the basic four elements. One, whether the stay applicant has made a strong showing that he is likely to succeed on the merits. Two, whether the applicant will be irreparably injured absent a stay. Three, whether issuance of the stay will substantially injure the other parties interested in the proceeding. And four, where the public interest lies. Four factors. And I notice the Court doesn't say how to
00:15:32 --> 00:15:35 weigh those? It says that the first two matter most, the likelihood
00:15:35 --> 00:15:37 of success and irreparable harm, but it doesn't
00:15:37 --> 00:15:40 have any sort of formula or, and this is the
00:15:40 --> 00:15:42 part that matters for how the practice is developed,
00:15:43 --> 00:15:45 any obligation to say which factor carried the
00:15:45 --> 00:15:48 day. A court applying this in a signed opinion
00:15:48 --> 00:15:51 shows its work. A court applying it in a one-
00:15:51 --> 00:15:53 paragraph unsigned order doesn't need to. Okay.
00:15:54 --> 00:15:56 The second factor, what's the government's irreparable
00:15:56 --> 00:16:00 harm when a court pauses a program? What makes
00:16:00 --> 00:16:03 that more than the ordinary cost of waiting for
00:16:03 --> 00:16:05 an appeal? All right. Justice Rehnquist wrote
00:16:05 --> 00:16:10 about that in 1977. So these emergency applications
00:16:10 --> 00:16:13 first go to a single justice. Each one is covering
00:16:13 --> 00:16:15 a particular circuit or circuits. And the justice
00:16:15 --> 00:16:17 can decide alone instead of referring it to the
00:16:17 --> 00:16:22 full Court. So in 1977, Rehnquist did that and
00:16:22 --> 00:16:24 said, any time a state is stopped by a court from
00:16:24 --> 00:16:26 carrying out statutes its legislature has passed,
00:16:26 --> 00:16:29 it suffers a form of irreparable injury. Then
00:16:29 --> 00:16:32 in 2012, Roberts quoted that line when he was
00:16:32 --> 00:16:34 also deciding an emergency application by himself.
00:16:34 --> 00:16:36 And we'd had another one in between. Justice
00:16:36 --> 00:16:38 O'Connor, in yet another one of these applications,
00:16:38 --> 00:16:41 had written that an injunction by the court against
00:16:41 --> 00:16:43 the government intrudes on a coordinate branch.
00:16:44 --> 00:16:47 And so three opinions, each by one justice, and
00:16:47 --> 00:16:50 none of them an opinion for the full Court. Yes.
00:16:50 --> 00:16:53 In CASA, though, last year, the Court put O'Connor's
00:16:53 --> 00:16:56 coordinate branch language and Roberts's statute
00:16:56 --> 00:16:59 language together and said that a universal injunction
00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 improperly intrudes on a coordinate branch and
00:17:01 --> 00:17:03 stops the government from enforcing its policies
00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 against people who aren't parties. Then that
00:17:06 --> 00:17:09 is enough to justify interim relief. OK, enough
00:17:09 --> 00:17:12 to establish the harm without deciding whether
00:17:12 --> 00:17:15 the policy was lawful. Yeah. So two things the
00:17:15 --> 00:17:17 Court already settled, that the government was
00:17:17 --> 00:17:19 likely to win the question actually in front
00:17:19 --> 00:17:21 of it. Not whether the order was constitutional,
00:17:22 --> 00:17:24 but whether a single district judge could block
00:17:24 --> 00:17:26 it for the whole country. And second, that the
00:17:26 --> 00:17:28 people who sued would still be protected because
00:17:28 --> 00:17:30 narrow injunctions covering them would stay in
00:17:30 --> 00:17:33 place. So the Court never said the order was
00:17:33 --> 00:17:35 lawful. Right. It said that question wasn't before
00:17:35 --> 00:17:38 it and that the government asking for emergency
00:17:38 --> 00:17:40 relief doesn't have to show it will win the whole
00:17:40 --> 00:17:42 case. It only has to show it's being harmed right
00:17:42 --> 00:17:45 now by a lower court's mistake. So being blocked
00:17:45 --> 00:17:49 more broadly than the law. Yes, that's the harm.
00:17:49 --> 00:17:52 And Sotomayor's answer was that this entire position
00:17:52 --> 00:17:55 was self-refuting. Here's what she said. She
00:17:55 --> 00:17:58 said, suppose an executive order barred women
00:17:58 --> 00:18:00 from receiving unemployment benefits or Black
00:18:00 --> 00:18:03 citizens from voting. Is the government irreparably
00:18:03 --> 00:18:05 harmed and entitled to emergency relief by a district
00:18:05 --> 00:18:09 court order universally enjoining such policies? The
00:18:09 --> 00:18:13 majority, apparently, would say yes. So the majority's
00:18:13 --> 00:18:16 answer being that even an unlawful policy doesn't
00:18:16 --> 00:18:18 give a court unlimited power to stop it. Yes,
00:18:18 --> 00:18:20 that's the heart of it. The majority is saying
00:18:20 --> 00:18:22 that an injunction can exceed the court's authority
00:18:22 --> 00:18:25 whether or not the policy is lawful. Her position
00:18:25 --> 00:18:28 is different in kind. She's saying that by enjoining
00:18:28 --> 00:18:31 the government from violating settled law, the
00:18:31 --> 00:18:33 orders don't cause it any harm at all. And then
00:18:33 --> 00:18:35 she takes the Maryland line and turns it around.
00:18:36 --> 00:18:38 If the injury being stopped is carrying out laws
00:18:38 --> 00:18:40 enacted by the people's representatives, look
00:18:40 --> 00:18:42 at what this executive order would override.
00:18:42 --> 00:18:45 The Fourteenth Amendment citizenship guarantee and
00:18:45 --> 00:18:47 the statute that Congress passed to codify it.
00:18:47 --> 00:18:49 So she's saying the Constitution and the statute
00:18:49 --> 00:18:52 protected birthright citizenship, and it's the
00:18:52 --> 00:18:54 executive order that would override them, not
00:18:54 --> 00:18:57 the injunction. Yes. And she said it strained
00:18:57 --> 00:18:59 credulity to treat the executive branch as irreparably
00:18:59 --> 00:19:01 harmed by injunctions that direct it to continue
00:19:01 --> 00:19:05 following settled law. And then there's a good
00:19:05 --> 00:19:07 line that everyone's quoting, that the Court endorsed
00:19:07 --> 00:19:10 the radical proposition that the Executive is
00:19:10 --> 00:19:13 harmed irreparably whenever he cannot do something
00:19:13 --> 00:19:15 he wants to do, even if what he wants to do is
00:19:15 --> 00:19:19 break the law. And is this an argument that justices
00:19:19 --> 00:19:23 are only having in the opinions? She's talked
00:19:23 --> 00:19:25 about it in public, too. At the University of
00:19:25 --> 00:19:27 Kansas in April, she said that there was a belief
00:19:27 --> 00:19:30 among the majority that whenever they stop the
00:19:30 --> 00:19:31 executive branch from doing something it wants
00:19:31 --> 00:19:34 to do, that that is irreparable harm to the government,
00:19:34 --> 00:19:37 but that others like her believe irreparable
00:19:37 --> 00:19:38 harm can happen to the people being affected,
00:19:39 --> 00:19:42 too. And that isn't a criticism of any particular
00:19:42 --> 00:19:45 order. It's an observation about what the format
00:19:45 --> 00:19:48 permits. Yes, the way the format permits it as
00:19:48 --> 00:19:50 the Court's now interpreting it. But there are
00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 strong defenses of the practice. These applications
00:19:53 --> 00:19:56 arrive fast. There can be a number of them. Full
00:19:56 --> 00:19:58 opinions at this kind of speed would be impossible.
00:19:59 --> 00:20:01 So unsigned orders let a court act without committing
00:20:01 --> 00:20:03 to reasoning that it also hasn't had time to
00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 develop. But there have been explanations getting
00:20:06 --> 00:20:09 longer lately. Last term when the Court granted
00:20:09 --> 00:20:11 relief, at least one justice publicly noted disagreement
00:20:11 --> 00:20:15 in 16 of 18 cases. And when it denied relief,
00:20:15 --> 00:20:19 that happened in 6 of 18. So these are dissent
00:20:19 --> 00:20:23 clusters where the Court acts, which makes sense.
00:20:23 --> 00:20:25 Denying an application leaves the world as it
00:20:25 --> 00:20:29 is. Yes. And the writing has been increasing
00:20:29 --> 00:20:31 for the last decade. Written opinions accompanied
00:20:31 --> 00:20:33 almost none of these applications in the mid-
00:20:33 --> 00:20:39 2010s, but 23 percent in 2023 to '24, 31 percent
00:20:39 --> 00:20:43 in 2024 to '25 and 39 percent in the term that
00:20:43 --> 00:20:47 just ended. Give me an example. On October 14th,
00:20:47 --> 00:20:49 the Court granted an application from the FCC
00:20:49 --> 00:20:51 in an unsigned opinion that ran for five pages.
00:20:52 --> 00:20:54 Five pages would be unremarkable anywhere else,
00:20:54 --> 00:20:56 but on this docket, it's four and a half pages
00:20:56 --> 00:20:59 more than these orders usually get. So the institution
00:20:59 --> 00:21:02 is arguing with itself in public. Yes, in public
00:21:02 --> 00:21:05 and in the orders. We can also see the rules
00:21:05 --> 00:21:08 actively being made here. In May of 2025, in
00:21:08 --> 00:21:10 Trump v. Wilcox, the Court let the president
00:21:10 --> 00:21:12 remove members of the labor board and merit systems
00:21:12 --> 00:21:15 board while their cases proceeded. Two pages
00:21:15 --> 00:21:18 that were unsigned, and then it added this. The
00:21:18 --> 00:21:20 Federal Reserve is a uniquely structured, quasi-
00:21:20 --> 00:21:23 private entity that follows in the distinct
00:21:23 --> 00:21:25 historical tradition of the First and Second
00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 Banks of the United States. The Federal Reserve
00:21:28 --> 00:21:30 wasn't a party, for one, and number two, the
00:21:30 --> 00:21:32 First and Second Banks of the United States weren't
00:21:32 --> 00:21:35 necessarily very popular. There are so many things
00:21:35 --> 00:21:37 wrong with that, but... Yeah. Part of it was
00:21:37 --> 00:21:39 that the Federal Reserve wasn't even in the case.
00:21:39 --> 00:21:43 This was not an issue that had been raised directly,
00:21:43 --> 00:21:46 but it had been raised by implication. If those
00:21:46 --> 00:21:48 officers could be removed, why not a Fed governor?
00:21:49 --> 00:21:51 But there was no record about the Fed's structure,
00:21:51 --> 00:21:53 no adversarial testing of the historical claim.
00:21:54 --> 00:21:56 Justice Kagan said in dissent that the sentence
00:21:56 --> 00:21:58 appeared out of the blue and that the authority
00:21:58 --> 00:22:00 cited for it, a footnote in an earlier case,
00:22:00 --> 00:22:03 didn't even support it. And the administration
00:22:03 --> 00:22:05 presumably treated that sentence as law the next
00:22:05 --> 00:22:09 morning. Yes. And by the time the Court heard
00:22:09 --> 00:22:11 the Lisa Cook case eight months later, the Solicitor
00:22:11 --> 00:22:14 General expressly acknowledged what Wilcox had
00:22:14 --> 00:22:16 said about the Federal Reserve and told the justices
00:22:16 --> 00:22:18 that the administration wasn't challenging the
00:22:18 --> 00:22:20 statute that protected its governors from removal
00:22:20 --> 00:22:22 without cause. It was instead arguing that the
00:22:22 --> 00:22:24 president had cause to remove Cook and that his
00:22:24 --> 00:22:26 determination wasn't subject to judicial review.
00:22:27 --> 00:22:29 So a distinction the Court drew in an unsigned
00:22:29 --> 00:22:32 emergency order became the premise of the government's
00:22:32 --> 00:22:35 argument in another case. Right. A case decided
00:22:35 --> 00:22:39 the same day. So this was the June 29th we started
00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 with. In Slaughter, the Court ended Humphrey's
00:22:41 --> 00:22:43 Executor and held that the president could remove
00:22:43 --> 00:22:46 FTC commissioners at will. In Trump v. Cook,
00:22:46 --> 00:22:49 five to four, it refused to let him remove Lisa Cook
00:22:49 --> 00:22:51 from the Federal Reserve Board. The Chief Justice
00:22:51 --> 00:22:54 wrote both opinions. So the carve-out held.
00:22:55 --> 00:22:59 Yes, it did, which surprised nobody. But notice
00:22:59 --> 00:23:02 the timing here. Cook had been protected by district
00:23:02 --> 00:23:04 court injunctions since September. The government
00:23:04 --> 00:23:06 had appealed and sought emergency relief from
00:23:06 --> 00:23:09 the Supreme Court, and the justices left that
00:23:09 --> 00:23:11 application unresolved until June. So for nine
00:23:11 --> 00:23:14 months, Cook stayed in office under the district
00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 court's orders. The Supreme Court hadn't decided
00:23:16 --> 00:23:19 whether she should be removed. And the district
00:23:19 --> 00:23:22 court had already given the justices a workable
00:23:22 --> 00:23:25 arrangement. Cook stayed in office and the Federal
00:23:25 --> 00:23:27 Reserve continued operating while the Supreme
00:23:27 --> 00:23:30 Court didn't have to disturb any of it while
00:23:30 --> 00:23:33 it considered the case. Yes. So leaving the application
00:23:33 --> 00:23:35 unresolved meant that the district court's order
00:23:35 --> 00:23:38 was still in place. It doesn't necessarily say
00:23:38 --> 00:23:40 why the justices waited, but it meant that they
00:23:40 --> 00:23:41 could take their time without changing the situation
00:23:41 --> 00:23:44 on the ground. It's not clear the same thing
00:23:44 --> 00:23:46 would happen if the district court hadn't put
00:23:46 --> 00:23:48 the injunction in place. And when it finally
00:23:48 --> 00:23:51 acted, it still didn't decide whether the president
00:23:51 --> 00:23:54 actually had cause. Right. It was decided on
00:23:54 --> 00:23:57 narrower grounds, that the statute's for-cause protection
00:23:57 --> 00:23:59 required notice and an opportunity to respond
00:23:59 --> 00:24:01 and that Cook hadn't received either. Here's
00:24:01 --> 00:24:04 what they actually said. Whether a Governor should
00:24:04 --> 00:24:07 be removed, it is true, is a decision only
00:24:07 --> 00:24:09 the President can make, short of impeachment.
00:24:09 --> 00:24:12 But that does not mean that he may make that
00:24:12 --> 00:24:15 decision for any reason, or no reason. And the
00:24:15 --> 00:24:17 Court didn't decide whether there was cause.
00:24:17 --> 00:24:19 It decided the application on a narrow ground.
00:24:19 --> 00:24:21 It read the Act's for-cause protection to carry
00:24:21 --> 00:24:23 a right to notice and an opportunity to respond,
00:24:23 --> 00:24:26 and she hadn't gotten either. So some explanation
00:24:26 --> 00:24:29 of the evidence, some avenue for response, a
00:24:29 --> 00:24:31 deadline for responding. The government argued
00:24:31 --> 00:24:33 a social media post had supplied that, and the
00:24:33 --> 00:24:36 Court said it wouldn't do. So a statutory notice
00:24:36 --> 00:24:38 and response holding in a case about central
00:24:38 --> 00:24:40 banking in a line of argument the government
00:24:40 --> 00:24:43 had conceded because of a sentence that first
00:24:43 --> 00:24:45 appeared in an unsigned order about the labor
00:24:45 --> 00:24:49 board. Yeah, that's the chain. It, again, wouldn't
00:24:49 --> 00:24:51 have to automatically be sinister. Courts do
00:24:51 --> 00:24:53 signal. Preserving an obvious distinction in
00:24:53 --> 00:24:55 advance is a way of limiting the disruption your
00:24:55 --> 00:24:58 own holding is going to have. And a listener might
00:24:58 --> 00:24:59 reasonably think that this was a responsible
00:24:59 --> 00:25:02 action for the Court to take. It was important
00:25:02 --> 00:25:04 to people that they understand the Federal Reserve
00:25:04 --> 00:25:07 was safe. Though the responsible version and
00:25:07 --> 00:25:09 the improper version produced the same artifact,
00:25:10 --> 00:25:13 a distinction about an institution that wasn't
00:25:13 --> 00:25:15 a party drawn without briefing or argument focused
00:25:15 --> 00:25:19 on it in a document nobody signed. Yes, and sometimes
00:25:19 --> 00:25:22 assembled out of two different majorities. In
00:25:22 --> 00:25:25 August 2025, the Court fractured over terminated
00:25:25 --> 00:25:28 research grants at NIH. Justice Barrett joined
00:25:28 --> 00:25:30 four justices to let the grant terminations take
00:25:30 --> 00:25:33 effect and four different justices to leave the
00:25:33 --> 00:25:35 underlying directives blocked. Every piece had
00:25:35 --> 00:25:37 five votes, but only one justice supported the
00:25:37 --> 00:25:40 whole combination. It was an outcome neither
00:25:40 --> 00:25:42 side had asked for. Justice Jackson called it
00:25:42 --> 00:25:44 a cautionary tale about lawmaking on the emergency
00:25:44 --> 00:25:47 docket and said grantees were left on a likely
00:25:47 --> 00:25:49 futile multi-venue quest for complete relief.
00:25:49 --> 00:25:53 OK, so challenge the policy in one court and
00:25:53 --> 00:25:56 then chase your money in another. Yes. And Wilcox
00:25:56 --> 00:25:58 isn't the only rule like that. We see this in
00:25:58 --> 00:26:01 elections, too. There's a principle that federal
00:26:01 --> 00:26:03 courts shouldn't change the rules of an election
00:26:03 --> 00:26:05 when the election is close at hand because late
00:26:05 --> 00:26:07 judicial changes could confuse voters and election
00:26:07 --> 00:26:10 officials. And lower courts apply this constantly.
00:26:10 --> 00:26:13 Where does that come from? Purcell v. Gonzalez,
00:26:13 --> 00:26:17 a three-page unsigned opinion from 2006, decided
00:26:17 --> 00:26:19 on an emergency posture that didn't announce
00:26:19 --> 00:26:22 or define close at hand. And it's been shaping
00:26:22 --> 00:26:25 election litigation for 20 years. The justices
00:26:25 --> 00:26:27 have even disagreed openly about what it actually
00:26:27 --> 00:26:30 requires. A 20-year-old rule with no definition
00:26:30 --> 00:26:34 built from a document written in days. So this
00:26:34 --> 00:26:36 isn't automatically a new phenomenon. It isn't.
00:26:37 --> 00:26:40 And there's one more thing in these, and it's
00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 about the docket itself. So we should look at
00:26:42 --> 00:26:44 how these were handled. Slaughter arrived as
00:26:44 --> 00:26:46 a stay application, became a full merits case.
00:26:46 --> 00:26:49 It was argued and decided with an opinion. Cook
00:26:49 --> 00:26:51 arrived as a stay application in September '25.
00:26:51 --> 00:26:53 And instead of ruling in two paragraphs, the
00:26:53 --> 00:26:55 Court set it for argument in January and issued
00:26:55 --> 00:26:58 a signed majority opinion in June. So Slaughter
00:26:58 --> 00:27:00 became a merits case. Cook stayed an application
00:27:00 --> 00:27:03 and got the full treatment anyway. Yes. Cook
00:27:03 --> 00:27:06 is captioned on application for stay. And the
00:27:06 --> 00:27:08 disposition is one line. Application denied.
00:27:08 --> 00:27:11 The Court was predicting who would likely win,
00:27:11 --> 00:27:13 not deciding it. Justice Kavanaugh wrote separately
00:27:13 --> 00:27:16 to say so expressly. And it took argument, a
00:27:16 --> 00:27:18 majority opinion, and five separate writings
00:27:18 --> 00:27:21 and months to get there. Did the Court say anything
00:27:21 --> 00:27:24 about doing it that way? It did. Here's where
00:27:24 --> 00:27:27 we talked about it in the opinion itself. Although
00:27:27 --> 00:27:29 this extraordinary case arises on the Court's
00:27:29 --> 00:27:32 interim docket, the Court has had the benefit
00:27:32 --> 00:27:35 of not only amici and oral argument, but months
00:27:35 --> 00:27:39 of internal consultation and deliberation. Which
00:27:39 --> 00:27:41 answers my question from earlier, at least partly,
00:27:41 --> 00:27:44 right? If the Court wants one of these to carry
00:27:44 --> 00:27:48 weight everywhere, it can give it the full treatment.
00:27:48 --> 00:27:50 Yes, Justice Barrett has talked about this underlying
00:27:50 --> 00:27:53 tension about as well as anyone. She said this
00:27:53 --> 00:27:56 in Mirabelli v. Bonta. Interim applications routinely
00:27:56 --> 00:27:59 require the Court to balance the lock-in risk
00:27:59 --> 00:28:02 of saying too much against the transparency cost
00:28:02 --> 00:28:04 of saying too little. That kind of sums it all
00:28:04 --> 00:28:07 up. The criticism was never that interim relief
00:28:07 --> 00:28:09 exists. It's that consequential law is being
00:28:09 --> 00:28:11 made in these unsigned orders with no reasoning.
00:28:11 --> 00:28:14 The response to that criticism and the two biggest
00:28:14 --> 00:28:16 separation of power cases of the term was to
00:28:16 --> 00:28:19 slow down and write. With the caveat that the
00:28:19 --> 00:28:34 slowing down is discretionary. Absolutely. Everything we've described rewards the side that can file in three days. What does that mean for the lawyer who can't? Build the harm record before you need it. So the interim
00:28:34 --> 00:28:37 order decided part of the case whichever way
00:28:37 --> 00:28:40 the merits land. Yes. That's the last big point.
00:28:40 --> 00:28:42 The volume that turned an ordinary judicial power
00:28:42 --> 00:28:44 into one of the most consequential mechanisms
00:28:44 --> 00:28:47 in American public law wasn't set by Congress
00:28:47 --> 00:28:49 or by the Court. It was set in large part by
00:28:49 --> 00:28:51 how often one litigant chose to knock on the
00:28:51 --> 00:28:54 door. And that's the variable nobody votes on.
00:28:55 --> 00:28:59 Right. So next week, we're back to regular episodes.
00:28:59 --> 00:29:01 We're talking about the administrative record,
00:29:01 --> 00:29:03 what the judge is actually allowed to look at
00:29:03 --> 00:29:06 once the challenger gets in the door. So that
00:29:06 --> 00:29:07 does it for today's episode of Administrative
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